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[Atruepatriot]

Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

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Use Yandex.

Thanks!

[Atruepatriot]

Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png

Use Yandex.

You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.

[Swordsmyth]

Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png

Use Yandex.

You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.

I realize it.
That gives it a refreshingly different slant.

And they don't like anything we do.

[Atruepatriot]

Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png

Use Yandex.

You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.

I realize it.
That gives it a refreshingly different slant.

And they don't like anything we do.

Yeah, maybe we will get some truth.

[Clayton]

Escaping from Egypt? : Lynx + Gopher = Web 4.0?

HTTP =/= Web

Web Too Bloated For You? Try Gopher! | Mental Outlaw

This formula might turn out to be the parting of the Red Sea. There is no doubt that the globalist mass-surveillance State has taken over HTTP(s)/Javascript, but the Web is not HTTP(s)/Javascript. They've tried to define the Web as ultimately "the browser" and whatever the browser supports, and then they've used the enormous complexity of a typical browser as a method to turn the Internet (which is inherently promiscuous to all communications protocols) into a hermetically-sealed censorship chamber.

Perhaps the way out is easier than we thought? Do we really need to rebuild the Web from scratch? I regularly use Lynx to dump webpages to plaintext for local archival. The success-rate is about 95%... there are a few pages here and there that Lynx can't render, but it can render almost everything to text. And since text is lightning-fast to search (especially on Linux), this means that all the pages I archive in this way are text-searchable.

I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex. The only downside is that I don't think there is native support for TLS in Gopher. So, that means that everything would be plaintext. However, when the problem you're trying to escape is censorship (getting the word out), it's better to at least have a tin-can phone-line that the cops can listen in on, than nothing. At least it's possible to get word out. And if it's absolutely mission-critical to keep it a secret, then manually encrypt using gpg.

[Atruepatriot]

Escaping from Egypt? : Lynx + Gopher = Web 4.0?

HTTP =/= Web

Web Too Bloated For You? Try Gopher! | Mental Outlaw

This formula might turn out to be the parting of the Red Sea. There is no doubt that the globalist mass-surveillance State has taken over HTTP(s)/Javascript, but the Web is not HTTP(s)/Javascript. They've tried to define the Web as ultimately "the browser" and whatever the browser supports, and then they've used the enormous complexity of a typical browser as a method to turn the Internet (which is inherently promiscuous to all communications protocols) into a hermetically-sealed censorship chamber.

Perhaps the way out is easier than we thought? Do we really need to rebuild the Web from scratch? I regularly use Lynx to dump webpages to plaintext for local archival. The success-rate is about 95%... there are a few pages here and there that Lynx can't render, but it can render almost everything to text. And since text is lightning-fast to search (especially on Linux), this means that all the pages I archive in this way are text-searchable.

I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex. The only downside is that I don't think there is native support for TLS in Gopher. So, that means that everything would be plaintext. However, when the problem you're trying to escape is censorship (getting the word out), it's better to at least have a tin-can phone-line that the cops can listen in on, than nothing. At least it's possible to get word out. And if it's absolutely mission-critical to keep it a secret, then manually encrypt using gpg.

"I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex."

Uh Oh... I hope you realize you are now on the same trail I have been on for a year now. I am hoping that now you will listen and consider my thoughts with more objectivity my friend. I have already done all this deep investigation for an alternative "off grid" like you are suggesting.

Yes, the Gopher protocol was the beginning. But that very same obsolete Gopher protocol has been refined into a much more capable and powerful protocol. The packaged and easy to install final "big boy" Gopher is already a polished and stable product we can just install from our one click software repository. I have been hollering for a over a year now and no one would be open minded enough to check it out.

The grown up, refined, and very much improved Gopher is now called the Gemini protocol. Same thing but improved with all the open source platforms already available for whatever you might want. Personal page blogs (Gopher holes) , BBS forums, Chats, search engines for the Gemini space/realm it's self, directories, image galleries, game sites, audio radio sites, Etc.

And it is written in simple text called "Gemtext". And it is easy to install and use. I have tested it extensively and it is GREAT! It is basically a lot like the old days of usenet where everyone hosted their own sites. But with all the modern features like the ability to serve up images and such inline. While there are several clients available the Lagrange Client is the most superior of these. It handles Gopher and Gemini and all the tools compatible with both.

Lagrange comes with Gemini included and pre-configured with everything to work out of the box. So all you have to do is go to our repository and install Lagrange and you are now on the Gopher/Geminispace off grid network you are speaking of here. It has already been refined, improved, packaged up, and available Clayton!

https://timelessauthors.com/viewtopic.p ... 35#p106635

Portal to Geminispace from the web with quick links I added:

https://timelessauthors.com/viewtopic.p ... 28#p113728

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[Clayton]

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The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.

[Atruepatriot]

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The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.

It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.

[Clayton]

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The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.

It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.

If I get time, I'll look at it. The compromise runs deeper than you think. Infiltration is not just in USG, it's in everything. When they said "you will be happy", THEY. MEANT. IT. You don't get to that level of smug without having "done your homework" in every conceivable sense of that phrase. They are much, much further ahead than even you suspect.

[Atruepatriot]

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The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.

It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.

If I get time, I'll look at it. The compromise runs deeper than you think. Infiltration is not just in USG, it's in everything. When they said "you will be happy", THEY. MEANT. IT. You don't get to that level of smug without having "done your homework" in every conceivable sense of that phrase. They are much, much further ahead than even you suspect.

Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

[Clayton]

Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

I will look at it if I get the chance, however, I want to challenge just how deep people understand this to go ... I don't think the dissenters have yet fully plumbed the depths of what is really going on here. There is some concept that we tend to have of "cat-and-mouse" games, whereby the tyrants try to peer into our communications and we, in turn, try to evade their snooping by encrypting, etc. What people are not fully understanding is that there is no defensive measure whatsoever that can succeed in stopping the snooping. I don't mean that defensive measures are entirely useless, they have a use. But the idea that we can carve out some kind of "safe space" where they cannot penetrate without us knowing (silent failure) is an illusion, and simply not true.

Probably the simplest metaphor is The Matrix, but without even the Nebuchadnezzar to broadcast from the outside -- there is no safe space whatsoever, not even your home and, as you have correctly mentioned, not even your drawers (that's not rhetorical exaggeration, I mean it literally.) If there was a "Nebuchadnezzar", it was the church but every indication I am seeing is that we have entered the Apostasy of 2 Thess. 2. That means there is absolutely nowhere and absolutely no channel that is safe or secure-able. This is the reason they are so damned smug. While we were sleeping as peaceful and law-abiding citizens, they were busy building their cosmic hall-of-mirrors, what we now call Clown World. When the time came (2014? That's when I became aware of it), they snapped the trap. The trap is done snapped. This is why we are in Clown World. This is why Kamala unironically puts out AI doctored images of her "campaign". Think about the wheelbarrow-sized brass-balls you would have to have to do that in pre-Clown-World, and think about how roundly and cosmically you would have been laughed to shame and how mercilessly satired by the bards of that generation unto all eternity. Ask yourself: Where is the laughter? Yes, a few Red-staters, but not nearly as many as there should be. Basically the whole 330 million of us ought to be laughing at them. There's a few of us laughing. The rest have the dead-eyed stare of zombies. They don't even realize there was a joke, let alone that they should have laughed at it.

Anyway, today is just not a great day for this. Clown World is up on blast in my current location. They dialed the Matrix to 11 today. They will truly, truly burn in the flames of the lake of fire for ever and ever, world without end, Hallelujah, praise God. My personal battles aside, it just becomes clearer and clearer to me day by day that it's time to start waking people up for the biblical Apocalypse. No matter how ready you are, if you don't have Jesus, you're not ready enough. And no matter how unprepared you are, if you have Jesus, you are prepared. We are the 1% of 1% who are awake in a world that is 99.9% zombies from horizon-to-horizon, and the zombie-harvesters are descending upon the world, their mouths agape. Wake up everyone you can and forget about secure comms, there is no such thing in Clown World...

[Atruepatriot]

Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

I will look at it if I get the chance, however, I want to challenge just how deep people understand this to go ... I don't think the dissenters have yet fully plumbed the depths of what is really going on here. There is some concept that we tend to have of "cat-and-mouse" games, whereby the tyrants try to peer into our communications and we, in turn, try to evade their snooping by encrypting, etc. What people are not fully understanding is that there is no defensive measure whatsoever that can succeed in stopping the snooping. I don't mean that defensive measures are entirely useless, they have a use. But the idea that we can carve out some kind of "safe space" where they cannot penetrate without us knowing (silent failure) is an illusion, and simply not true.

Probably the simplest metaphor is The Matrix, but without even the Nebuchadnezzar to broadcast from the outside -- there is no safe space whatsoever, not even your home and, as you have correctly mentioned, not even your drawers (that's not rhetorical exaggeration, I mean it literally.) If there was a "Nebuchadnezzar", it was the church but every indication I am seeing is that we have entered the Apostasy of 2 Thess. 2. That means there is absolutely nowhere and absolutely no channel that is safe or secure-able. This is the reason they are so damned smug. While we were sleeping as peaceful and law-abiding citizens, they were busy building their cosmic hall-of-mirrors, what we now call Clown World. When the time came (2014? That's when I became aware of it), they snapped the trap. The trap is done snapped. This is why we are in Clown World. This is why Kamala unironically puts out AI doctored images of her "campaign". Think about the wheelbarrow-sized brass-balls you would have to have to do that in pre-Clown-World, and think about how roundly and cosmically you would have been laughed to shame and how mercilessly satired by the bards of that generation unto all eternity. Ask yourself: Where is the laughter? Yes, a few Red-staters, but not nearly as many as there should be. Basically the whole 330 million of us ought to be laughing at them. There's a few of us laughing. The rest have the dead-eyed stare of zombies. They don't even realize there was a joke, let alone that they should have laughed at it.

Anyway, today is just not a great day for this. Clown World is up on blast in my current location. They dialed the Matrix to 11 today. They will truly, truly burn in the flames of the lake of fire for ever and ever, world without end, Hallelujah, praise God. My personal battles aside, it just becomes clearer and clearer to me day by day that it's time to start waking people up for the biblical Apocalypse. No matter how ready you are, if you don't have Jesus, you're not ready enough. And no matter how unprepared you are, if you have Jesus, you are prepared. We are the 1% of 1% who are awake in a world that is 99.9% zombies from horizon-to-horizon, and the zombie-harvesters are descending upon the world, their mouths agape. Wake up everyone you can and forget about secure comms, there is no such thing in Clown World...

Yes, I realize there is nowhere to completely hide from it. But it is worth the effort to try and minimalise it as much as possible. Make them jump through hoops and really earn it.

[Clayton]

Yes, I realize there is nowhere to completely hide from it. But it is worth the effort to try and minimalise it as much as possible. Make them jump through hoops and really earn it.

Agreed. They can be slowed but not stopped.

[Clayton]

Browse without ever leaving the terminal | NetworkChuck

Note: more than half the video is a paid promotion, so be aware of that.

Been using this for about a year now. Still do most browsing in FF but lynx is a powerful Swiss Army Knife for just about everything you can think of.

[Atruepatriot]

Browse without ever leaving the terminal | NetworkChuck

Note: more than half the video is a paid promotion, so be aware of that.

Been using this for about a year now. Still do most browsing in FF but lynx is a powerful Swiss Army Knife for just about everything you can think of.

I have used Lynx several times over the years...