Browsers

[Atruepatriot]

I hope Brendan Eich will be able to execute with Brave and BAT. He has a solid model. I might have to dust off an old writeup I have and post it here at TimelessAuthors.

@Macaque Mentality , I would like to see "NoScript" incorporate a browser with their ware. I can't live without NoScript and would love to have it self supported with browser capability also.

I recently had issues with a brave version for Linux. It took over my computer and even my other browsers. And I could not rid myself of it, I had to scrap my install and reinstall a whole new OS. Once there it is always there, you can't fully uninstall it short of a whole previous image from before it was installed. That was my fault that I trusted and did not take a snapshot before I installed Brave. I didn't like at all that it injected it's self into my other stuff. Nothing should ever do that.

TOR is the way to go. It is not just for the deep/dark web. It works just great for normal indexed domains also. The only issue is some domains block access from TOR browsers. But it is opening up more because so many more are now starting to use it for everything.

[MaxGrant]

I installed the Brave browser on my last work laptop a year or so ago, and at some point it simply went away. I suppose someone in IT had a hand in that...

[Atruepatriot]

I installed the Brave browser on my last work laptop a year or so ago, and at some point it simply went away. I suppose someone in IT had a hand in that...

"Oh no you don't, we can't spy on you with that". lol

[Macaque Mentality]

@Macaque Mentality , I would like to see "NoScript" incorporate a browser with their ware. I can't live without NoScript and would love to have it self supported with browser capability also.

I recently had issues with a brave version for Linux. It took over my computer and even my other browsers. And I could not rid myself of it, I had to scrap my install and reinstall a whole new OS. Once there it is always there, you can't fully uninstall it short of a whole previous image from before it was installed. That was my fault that I trusted and did not take a snapshot before I installed Brave. I didn't like at all that it injected it's self into my other stuff. Nothing should ever do that.

TOR is the way to go. It is not just for the deep/dark web. It works just great for normal indexed domains also. The only issue is some domains block access from TOR browsers. But it is opening up more because so many more are now starting to use it for everything.

I hear you, I haven't had either the time or inclination to switch over to a Linux-based system yet, though I know it's not too hard of a move. I do know of TOR.

The thing about Brendan is that I believe he's thinking so far ahead that all of the functions he wants implemented are on a huge line. I mean this guy is a web legend. I wonder if NoScript is part of that for Brave. But there's so much more to Brave that I rarely read, but I'm convinced a few very smart investors know. For example, why in the world would Grayscale have Basic Attention Token as one of its cryptos?

My main thing with Brave is it's a red pill that anyone can swallow. It's a browser with a built in ecosystem designed to completely overturn the Big Tech sell-everyone's-private-data business model right on its head.

The crux of what Eich is doing isn't necessarily in the tech, though the tech is a critical part of it. The main paradigm shift people don't seem to get yet is that Eich has effectively commodified human attention, which no other browser or ad platform does. Basically, you get paid to glance at ads. If you think about it, this is quite revolutionary, as advertising takes human attention for granted. As people realize that they are actually getting paid 70% of an ad spend, they'll begin to realize just how much they've been getting scammed by Google and Meta! And in fact, it would be impossible for Google or Meta to implement a privacy-first advertising platform because it would contradict the entire premise of their business models!

There's much more to it, because Brendan believes in the browser as not only the primary interface to the web, but also the first line of defense for privacy. For example, he's built in ad customization into the browser so that no private browsing information enters any sort of cloud, but stays in the user's computer. He's also built in content creator support functions and just released a MetaMask (a browser plugin crypto wallet) killer in Brave Wallet. All that to create a functioning privacy-based economy built into Brave itself.

I can go on, and I'm not strong on the technical aspects, but wanted to outline Brave's essential value proposition: Bring users into the advertising equation for the first time in history, all while protecting their privacy. One of these days I'll have to lay out what I believe to be Brave's business models (It's actually 3 models in one).

[Atruepatriot]

@Macaque Mentality , I would like to see "NoScript" incorporate a browser with their ware. I can't live without NoScript and would love to have it self supported with browser capability also.

I recently had issues with a brave version for Linux. It took over my computer and even my other browsers. And I could not rid myself of it, I had to scrap my install and reinstall a whole new OS. Once there it is always there, you can't fully uninstall it short of a whole previous image from before it was installed. That was my fault that I trusted and did not take a snapshot before I installed Brave. I didn't like at all that it injected it's self into my other stuff. Nothing should ever do that.

TOR is the way to go. It is not just for the deep/dark web. It works just great for normal indexed domains also. The only issue is some domains block access from TOR browsers. But it is opening up more because so many more are now starting to use it for everything.

I hear you, I haven't had either the time or inclination to switch over to a Linux-based system yet, though I know it's not too hard of a move. I do know of TOR.

The thing about Brendan is that I believe he's thinking so far ahead that all of the functions he wants implemented are on a huge line. I mean this guy is a web legend. I wonder if NoScript is part of that for Brave. But there's so much more to Brave that I rarely read, but I'm convinced a few very smart investors know. For example, why in the world would Grayscale have Basic Attention Token as one of its cryptos?

My main thing with Brave is it's a red pill that anyone can swallow. It's a browser with a built in ecosystem designed to completely overturn the Big Tech sell-everyone's-private-data business model right on its head.

The crux of what Eich is doing isn't necessarily in the tech, though the tech is a critical part of it. The main paradigm shift people don't seem to get yet is that Eich has effectively commodified human attention, which no other browser or ad platform does. Basically, you get paid to glance at ads. If you think about it, this is quite revolutionary, as advertising takes human attention for granted. As people realize that they are actually getting paid 70% of an ad spend, they'll begin to realize just how much they've been getting scammed by Google and Meta! And in fact, it would be impossible for Google or Meta to implement a privacy-first advertising platform because it would contradict the entire premise of their business models!

There's much more to it, because Brendan believes in the browser as not only the primary interface to the web, but also the first line of defense for privacy. For example, he's built in ad customization into the browser so that no private browsing information enters any sort of cloud, but stays in the user's computer. He's also built in content creator support functions and just released a MetaMask (a browser plugin crypto wallet) killer in Brave Wallet. All that to create a functioning privacy-based economy built into Brave itself.

I can go on, and I'm not strong on the technical aspects, but wanted to outline Brave's essential value proposition: Bring users into the advertising equation for the first time in history, all while protecting their privacy. One of these days I'll have to lay out what I believe to be Brave's business models (It's actually 3 models in one).

Yes, I like the model and concept. And started using Brave on windows when it came out. But being a suspicious sort I did a few days of background into the company officers and developers aside from Eich after it had released for a short while. Found two of them are proud Bildebergers. Right away I was curious if they are actually true to their words of privacy considering they had Globalist ties. No way to ever really know if they are not. Just have to trust and hope they are. And trust is a huge hang up I have...

But something I do like is that even though NoScript is just currently a browser script blocker addon, Brave does allow NoScript to be added to it. And now Brave is using their own search crawlers and spiders and have created their own independent search engine incorporated with the browser.

But mainly I just did not like how it took over my Linux computer. Reminded me of the old days when the software for a $25 HP printer took over my computer. I had to ask the damned printer software for permission to do everything else on my box. I was never so livid in my life, and spent 6 months raising hell with HP over that one. Filed many formal legal complaints with the proper authorities and MS over their hidden PC theft agenda.

[Macaque Mentality]

Yes, I like the model and concept. And started using Brave on windows when it came out. But being a suspicious sort I did a few days of background into the company officers and developers aside from Eich after it had released for a short while. Found two of them are proud Bildebergers. Right away I was curious if they are actually true to their words of privacy considering they had Globalist ties. No way to ever really know if they are not. Just have to trust and hope they are. And trust is a huge hang up I have...

But something I do like is that even though NoScript is just currently a browser script blocker addon, Brave does allow NoScript to be added to it. And now Brave is using their own search crawlers and spiders and have created their own independent search engine incorporated with the browser.

But mainly I just did not like how it took over my Linux computer. Reminded me of the old days when the software for a $25 HP printer took over my computer. I had to ask the damned printer software for permission to do everything else on my box. I was never so livid in my life, and spent 6 months raising hell with HP over that one. Filed many formal legal complaints with the proper authorities and MS over their hidden PC theft agenda.

Those are great points and I hope Eich isn't pulling a Trump on the hiring end. And I'll keep that in mind. I've never made it a habit to trust anyone besides God. I'll keep ranting regardless, this time about Eich. Because he's so low-key and anti-hype that 99% of people just ignore him. But he's the only one I know in tech (not just crypto, mind you) who has been consistently delivering on his promises year after year, month after month, day after day. Also the only crypto with a working business model.

One of the things that hit me the strongest is that he goes to each Web Summit, where all the privacy-stealing Big Tech/Cabal assholes go each year to pat each other on the back for a job well done screwing over the masses. And each year he (the one and only legend Brendan Eich who designed JavaScript in 10 days and built Firefox from nothing, who is among the top 5 most capable people there) gives a lonely speech about how Brave is designed to completely turn their world around. And no one listens; it's like they're ignoring him deliberately. This last Web Summit, you could hear them running vacuum cleaners or floor buffers all around him during his speech. You can also tell that no one's listening. The applause is dismal. The co-founder of Mozilla! The legend himself! He knows he's in enemy territory, you can visibly see his discomfort--yet he goes every year to meekly announce his astounding progress, his next paradigm-shifter, and their impending doom. The absolute brass balls on the guy.

Contrast his meek demeanor and abysmal during Web Summit to a couple of days later at the Solana Conference. They're all in awe of the guy, even the 2 leaders of the conference--he's treated like the legend he is. He's in his element, charismatic, subconsciously oozing the alpha vibes. Yet outwardly he still remains his meek and humble self, gracious to all of his interviewers. Announcing paradigm-shifting tech like he's reading off a diner menu. And everyone there going nuts because they can't believe the balls on this guy to go directly against Big Tech by turning the tables on them.

I know I was being a bit sensational here, but I was trying to overcompensate rhetorically to illustrate what I see that many others don't seem to. Also, during today's crypto dump, BAT's the only Top 100 that is going up while every other non-stable coin is dumping. Hmmm... Kind of like the market proving that Brave is the only coin with an actual working business model with a real value proposition...

[Atruepatriot]

Yes, I like the model and concept. And started using Brave on windows when it came out. But being a suspicious sort I did a few days of background into the company officers and developers aside from Eich after it had released for a short while. Found two of them are proud Bildebergers. Right away I was curious if they are actually true to their words of privacy considering they had Globalist ties. No way to ever really know if they are not. Just have to trust and hope they are. And trust is a huge hang up I have...

But something I do like is that even though NoScript is just currently a browser script blocker addon, Brave does allow NoScript to be added to it. And now Brave is using their own search crawlers and spiders and have created their own independent search engine incorporated with the browser.

But mainly I just did not like how it took over my Linux computer. Reminded me of the old days when the software for a $25 HP printer took over my computer. I had to ask the damned printer software for permission to do everything else on my box. I was never so livid in my life, and spent 6 months raising hell with HP over that one. Filed many formal legal complaints with the proper authorities and MS over their hidden PC theft agenda.

Those are great points and I hope Eich isn't pulling a Trump on the hiring end. And I'll keep that in mind. I've never made it a habit to trust anyone besides God. I'll keep ranting regardless, this time about Eich. Because he's so low-key and anti-hype that 99% of people just ignore him. But he's the only one I know in tech (not just crypto, mind you) who has been consistently delivering on his promises year after year, month after month, day after day. Also the only crypto with a working business model.

One of the things that hit me the strongest is that he goes to each Web Summit, where all the privacy-stealing Big Tech/Cabal assholes go each year to pat each other on the back for a job well done screwing over the masses. And each year he (the one and only legend Brendan Eich who designed JavaScript in 10 days and built Firefox from nothing, who is among the top 5 most capable people there) gives a lonely speech about how Brave is designed to completely turn their world around. And no one listens; it's like they're ignoring him deliberately. This last Web Summit, you could hear them running vacuum cleaners or floor buffers all around him during his speech. You can also tell that no one's listening. The applause is dismal. The co-founder of Mozilla! The legend himself! He knows he's in enemy territory, you can visibly see his discomfort--yet he goes every year to meekly announce his astounding progress, his next paradigm-shifter, and their impending doom. The absolute brass balls on the guy.

Contrast his meek demeanor and abysmal during Web Summit to a couple of days later at the Solana Conference. They're all in awe of the guy, even the 2 leaders of the conference--he's treated like the legend he is. He's in his element, charismatic, subconsciously oozing the alpha vibes. Yet outwardly he still remains his meek and humble self, gracious to all of his interviewers. Announcing paradigm-shifting tech like he's reading off a diner menu. And everyone there going nuts because they can't believe the balls on this guy to go directly against Big Tech by turning the tables on them.

I know I was being a bit sensational here, but I was trying to overcompensate rhetorically to illustrate what I see that many others don't seem to. Also, during today's crypto dump, BAT's the only Top 100 that is going up while every other non-stable coin is dumping. Hmmm... Kind of like the market proving that Brave is the only coin with an actual working business model with a real value proposition...

Well said and I completely understand.

[Macaque Mentality]

Vox's take on Brave due to down-ranking Infogalactic:

Big Tech is so corrupted and converged that even the less-converged companies are in on the deplatforming game.

Today I noticed that Brave Search severely down-ranks infogalactic.com. Using the search term “infogalactic”, infogalactic.com appears as the fifteenth result, on the second page of results.

I checked other major search engines using the same search term. Google seems to have completely removed infogalactic.com from its search. Bing, DuckDuckGo, and Yandex all return infogalactic.com as the first result, as they should.

According to this post by a Brave employee, 92% of Brave Search results are from their own crawler.

Brave Search isn’t even out of beta and it’s corrupted.

What’s more, the current version of Brave Browser (V1.39.122 released June 10th, 2022) doesn’t allow setting default search to anything other than a short, approved list (that excludes Yandex) despite documentation describing otherwise.

It’s not a big surprise. Brandon Eich is a good man, but he’s a techno-idealist who has never understood the necessity to secure his flanks and police his ranks. A pure meritocracy may sound nice, but since they are effectively defenseless against infiltration and convergence, the concept is intrinsically counterproductive. Once just one capable SJW gets inside, it’s only a matter of time before “merit” is redefined and the meritocracy ceases to exist.

Infogalactic support actually used to be built into Brave. Typing “:i” would automatically search Infogalactic. But once that was removed, it was pretty clear that Brave was eventually going to get converged. It probably won’t be more than two years before there is a serious attempt to eject him from the company he founded, presumably for committing one of the new satanic sins such as transphobia or pedophobia.

Link: https://voxday.net/2022/06/19/mailvox-e ... e-silence/

I don't remember what Vox Day's deal with Andrew Torba was years ago, but he's back on Gab. I don't see Eich as a guy that will make the same type of mistake twice, but we'll see. I was disappointed when he hired that Hawaiian feminist as the CMO but she's quitely exited the field, so I still have hope that Brendan has learned his lessons from Firefox.

[Atruepatriot]

Vox's take on Brave due to down-ranking Infogalactic:

Big Tech is so corrupted and converged that even the less-converged companies are in on the deplatforming game.

Today I noticed that Brave Search severely down-ranks infogalactic.com. Using the search term “infogalactic”, infogalactic.com appears as the fifteenth result, on the second page of results.

I checked other major search engines using the same search term. Google seems to have completely removed infogalactic.com from its search. Bing, DuckDuckGo, and Yandex all return infogalactic.com as the first result, as they should.

According to this post by a Brave employee, 92% of Brave Search results are from their own crawler.

Brave Search isn’t even out of beta and it’s corrupted.

What’s more, the current version of Brave Browser (V1.39.122 released June 10th, 2022) doesn’t allow setting default search to anything other than a short, approved list (that excludes Yandex) despite documentation describing otherwise.

It’s not a big surprise. Brandon Eich is a good man, but he’s a techno-idealist who has never understood the necessity to secure his flanks and police his ranks. A pure meritocracy may sound nice, but since they are effectively defenseless against infiltration and convergence, the concept is intrinsically counterproductive. Once just one capable SJW gets inside, it’s only a matter of time before “merit” is redefined and the meritocracy ceases to exist.

Infogalactic support actually used to be built into Brave. Typing “:i” would automatically search Infogalactic. But once that was removed, it was pretty clear that Brave was eventually going to get converged. It probably won’t be more than two years before there is a serious attempt to eject him from the company he founded, presumably for committing one of the new satanic sins such as transphobia or pedophobia.

Link: https://voxday.net/2022/06/19/mailvox-e ... e-silence/

I don't remember what Vox Day's deal with Andrew Torba was years ago, but he's back on Gab. I don't see Eich as a guy that will make the same type of mistake twice, but we'll see. I was disappointed when he hired that Hawaiian feminist as the CMO but she's quitely exited the field, so I still have hope that Brendan has learned his lessons from Firefox.

Thank you for sharing that.

[Macaque Mentality]

Following up on my commentary of Vox Day's take on Brave. Pretty big announcement by Brave yesterday about the progress of and new features added to Brave Search. A few important excerpts (emphases mine and hyperlinks preserved):

...Brave Search has grown faster than any search provider since Bing. Some numbers:

• 2.5 billion queries in the past 365 days

• A high of 14.1 million queries per day

• 5 billion queries annualized (projection based on current monthly totals)

For comparison, it took Google more than a year to reach 2.5 billion queries, and DuckDuckGo more than 4 years...

We’re excited to announce the long-awaited beta release of an innovative new Brave Search feature: Goggles. Goggles will enable anyone, or any community of people, to create sets of rules and filters to constrain the searchable space and / or alter the ordering of search results. Anyone could then choose to apply a Goggle—or extend it—to their view of Brave Search results. Essentially, Goggles will act as a re-ranking option on top of the Brave Search index.

This means that, instead of a single ranking, Brave Search can offer an almost limitless number of ranking options, enabling search use-cases that could be too specific for a general purpose search engine. While Brave Search doesn’t have editorial biases, all search engines have some level of intrinsic bias. Goggles allows for users to counter any intrinsic biases in the algorithm...

• Community engagement with Goggles has already started. The team at Allsides has built Goggles based on their knowledge of political biases in the media. Note that Brave is not affiliated with any of the Goggles' independent creators...

So Brave Search then became an enormous engineering challenge: How to build the index—and the ranking algorithm—without collecting user data? We came up with a handful of ways:

• The Web Discovery Project: A privacy-preserving way for users to anonymously contribute browsing data, and thus improve the coverage and quality of Brave Search.

• Fallback mixing: An anonymous way for Brave to check Google in cases where our index isn’t complete or refined enough (especially for “long-tail” queries), and “mix” the results for you.

• Anonymous local results: A way for Brave Search to serve localized search results (e.g. for the query “restaurants near me”) without knowing your physical location or broadcasting your IP address.

• Listening to your feedback: We have a strong community of Brave Search users who provide feedback, requests, and suggestions on everything from results, features, infoboxes and widgets, and more. And we act on as much of this feedback as we can...

...In addition to the rapid growth Brave has seen, we’re also checking another metric to measure the success of this mission: the independence score.

In isolation, this score—shown for both individuals and users globally—is a measure of the percentage of our results served directly from the Brave Search index. But it also does something much more important: It ensures free access to information, without Big Tech’s manipulation. Search engines that depend too much, or exclusively, on Big Tech are subject to their censorship, biases, and editorial decisions. The Web needs multiple search providers—without choice there’s no freedom...

When Brave first acquired the Tailcat team and began to lay the foundation for Brave Search, we knew what we were up against: The monolith of Google. It was audacious enough to take on a global brand that dominates 85% of search volume and over 60% of desktop browser usage worldwide. Doing so in a way that preserved user privacy and relied on an independently built index of the Web was a huge challenge. But it was consistent with Brave’s mission of putting users first and fixing the Web.

Coupled with our privacy browser, Brave now provides the first truly viable, private browser+search alternative to the Big Tech platforms...

Link: https://brave.com/search-anniversary/

Vox Day is right that Brave might get comped, but I think the jury's out on whether or not Brendan Eich will be able to protect his castle. Again, I believe that Eich has learned his lessons from basically getting tarred and feathered at Mozilla. And Eich has gone farther than anyone ever thought so far. This might end up being an Andrew Torba and Gab type victory but at least 3-4 orders of magnitude larger in scale.

[Macaque Mentality]

I wanted to add that Goggles is a novel way of giving users control over any potential biases in the algorithm, intentional or not. Say what you will about Brendan Eich, but he's really been delivering when it comes to elegant solutions to problems no one in the Right has thought to solve at this scale. This is actually greater in scale than building alternative platforms because Eich is planning for a Google/Facebook level privacy ecosystem/economy.

[Swordsmyth]

Brave Search Passes 2.5 Billion Queries

https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/2022 ... n-queries/

[Macaque Mentality]

Researchers at Brave have developed STAR1, a system that allows users to participate in private data collection, under cryptographic guarantees that their data will be readable only if other users have contributed the exact same values. Such systems are important for performing privacy-protecting, Web-scale measurements of software (sometimes referred to as analytics or telemetry).

STAR’s main goals are to provide strong privacy guarantees while still being usable and affordable for small-to-medium sized companies. Existing systems2 are extremely expensive to deploy (making them unusable for all but the largest companies), require trusted third-parties or special hardware, and/or require millions of users to achieve useful results. STAR, by contrast, provides privacy guarantees similar to, or better than, existing systems, while being practical and affordable for projects and organizations serving anywhere from dozens to millions of users.

The STAR system will be presented at the 2022 ACM Conference on Computer and Communications Security (CCS) in Los Angeles, and is being discussed for possible standardization in the IETF. STAR is available in an open source Rust implementation, and will be used to protect user privacy in many current and future Brave products.

...
Rest of the article here: https://brave.com/privacy-updates/19-star/

[Machine Trooper]

Not sure I'll be able to figure out Goggles; and don't know much of the inside baseball you all know. But Vox Day's not whistling Dixie about the search engine. It's not just infogalactic getting the snub. When I use Brave search lately, it's like the same little commie thought cop from Google is in there making sure I only get search results that support The Narrative.

[Prince Valiant]

Not sure I'll be able to figure out Goggles; and don't know much of the inside baseball you all know. But Vox Day's not whistling Dixie about the search engine. It's not just infogalactic getting the snub. When I use Brave search lately, it's like the same little commie thought cop from Google is in there making sure I only get search results that support The Narrative.

Yeah. Brave didn't do much better for me either. The upside is that it's not supposed to be feeding your info to google. Brave also seems to put a Wikipedia result at the top of the page even if it's not the most relevant result. If you search for a web page, it will place the Wikipedia result first, even before the web page itself. I've had the best luck with Right Dao (a right wing Taiwanese search engine), but it's young and doesn't have a pic search for example. It will take time before it's as good as the others, but you will get different results. My go to search engine is Right Dao, I think Duck Duck Go is best for pics, and I sometimes use Yandex. I figure even if it has a bias, a Russian search engine (Yandex) would have a different bias than a western one.

[Macaque Mentality]

I agree with the gist of what both of you guys are saying. Brave isn't very good yet.

I'll say this: Please keep in mind that Brave has only seriously been indexing for a year. Remember when Google first started? It sucked too. But after a just a few years it started rising to the top because of the granularity of the searches that were possible with their engine.

With a project like this, we have to wait a few years to see if the kinks will work themselves out. All search engines suck in the beginning. The reason why we're getting the issues we're getting might be that there is so much more thoughtless commie crap that they are indexing. I think for a project as ambitious as indexing the entire internet, it's going to take at least 3 years, if not more. For now, I'm also using DDG for images also. I've given up on most search engines because they most suck now.

Also, remember what happened between Vox Day and Andrew Torba when Gab was first getting started? Torba learned his lessons and Vox is back on the platform, simple as that. Brave Search is simply too early in its lifespan to call. I hope and pray that Brendan Eich will make the right decisions. But I know there is an all-too-large possibility that he might not.

[Prince Valiant]

I agree with the gist of what both of you guys are saying. Brave isn't very good yet.

I'll say this: Please keep in mind that Brave has only seriously been indexing for a year. Remember when Google first started? It sucked too. But after a just a few years it started rising to the top because of the granularity of the searches that were possible with their engine.

With a project like this, we have to wait a few years to see if the kinks will work themselves out. All search engines suck in the beginning. The reason why we're getting the issues we're getting might be that there is so much more thoughtless commie crap that they are indexing. I think for a project as ambitious as indexing the entire internet, it's going to take at least 3 years, if not more. For now, I'm also using DDG for images also. I've given up on most search engines because they most suck now.

Also, remember what happened between Vox Day and Andrew Torba when Gab was first getting started? Torba learned his lessons and Vox is back on the platform, simple as that. Brave Search is simply too early in its lifespan to call. I hope and pray that Brendan Eich will make the right decisions. But I know there is an all-too-large possibility that he might not.

[Machine Trooper]

Not sure I'll be able to figure out Goggles; and don't know much of the inside baseball you all know. But Vox Day's not whistling Dixie about the search engine. It's not just infogalactic getting the snub. When I use Brave search lately, it's like the same little commie thought cop from Google is in there making sure I only get search results that support The Narrative.

Yeah. Brave didn't do much better for me either. The upside is that it's not supposed to be feeding your info to google. Brave also seems to put a Wikipedia result at the top of the page even if it's not the most relevant result. If you search for a web page, it will place the Wikipedia result first, even before the web page itself. I've had the best luck with Right Dao (a right wing Taiwanese search engine), but it's young and doesn't have a pic search for example. It will take time before it's as good as the others, but you will get different results. My go to search engine is Right Dao, I think Duck Duck Go is best for pics, and I sometimes use Yandex. I figure even if it has a bias, a Russian search engine (Yandex) would have a different bias than a western one.

Somebody here--maybe you--told me about Right Dao and I've been using it ever since. I think I agree with everything you said.

[Clayton]

Not a huge fan of Firefox, but it's still lightyears better than Google's EvilChrome...

[Prince Valiant]

Not a huge fan of Firefox, but it's still lightyears better than Google's EvilChrome...