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Re: Browsers

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Prince Valiant wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:37 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:28 pm

Mine is working great. No problems. I do keep Firefox around just in case, but I use LibreWolf almost exclusively.
It is in the repositories. Mint will install and update it for you automatically.
If you have Linux Mint installed, just open the Software Manager (Menu button/All Applications/scroll down to Software Manager). Type LibreWolf into the search bar for the Software Manager. It should come up. Click on it. Tell it to install.

That should be it!

If it doesn't have any Searx instances already in it, you can go to these and add them:

https://searx.be/ (Belgium)

https://searx.thegpm.org/

You might also want to add these for a different spin on your searches:

Yandex.com: https://yandex.com/search?lr=20991

Yandex.ru: https://yandex.ru/search?lr=20991


I figure any spin the Russians have on searches won't be in total lockstep with our censorship.

:)
Were you able to get it to work Machine Trooper?
:)
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
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Re: Browsers

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Machine Trooper wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:27 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:37 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:28 pm

Mine is working great. No problems. I do keep Firefox around just in case, but I use LibreWolf almost exclusively.
It is in the repositories. Mint will install and update it for you automatically.
If you have Linux Mint installed, just open the Software Manager (Menu button/All Applications/scroll down to Software Manager). Type LibreWolf into the search bar for the Software Manager. It should come up. Click on it. Tell it to install.

That should be it!

If it doesn't have any Searx instances already in it, you can go to these and add them:

https://searx.be/ (Belgium)

https://searx.thegpm.org/

You might also want to add these for a different spin on your searches:

Yandex.com: https://yandex.com/search?lr=20991

Yandex.ru: https://yandex.ru/search?lr=20991


I figure any spin the Russians have on searches won't be in total lockstep with our censorship.

:)
Were you able to get it to work Machine Trooper?
:)
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
Yep, anytime you want something the first place to go to is the software manager and search it. And if it is not there do a search in "Synaptic" package manager. Synaptic has more diverse specialized selections and older stuff hard to find, like HAM radio software, scientific ware, analysing ware, and such. And if you ever want to remove the app just go back to it in either manager and it will have a remove button for you. First thing I did when I got Linux was spend several hours browsing what was available in there. I had to refrain from "What does this do" and install a hundred apps... lol

As for other stuff from third parties there are actually several ways but it depends on how old it is and what type of compressed file the have it packaged in. Most the new ones are in a .deb file you just download, move to where you want it to live, and double click to install but most times you will have to go and find the "launch" file and create your own menu item. Older stuff usually has instructions and command lines you copy and paste into the terminal that will do it for you. Then sometimes you have to manually add them to the menu list. These usually also have to be removed or purged using the terminal again and then the menu listing manually removed if you manually created it yourself.

Using "uninstall" in the right click menu options does not always remove all the elements of an app. Better to use Software manager, synaptic, or the terminal. A terminal command line purge will remove everything related to that app. Someone once told me to get familiar with basic terminal commands and never dismiss it as a powerful option. They were right, a lot of times it can bail you out of trouble.

Hoping you read this before you install it from the software manager... It would be a good practice to first run a purge in the terminal to make sure your previous attempt did not actually install it some where you can't find. You want to make sure there are not already unknown elements that did actually install. Just copy/paste/enter this command and password:

sudo apt-get purge librewolf

It sounds like a mess with so many different options for installing programs. But this is because of the evolution of Linux over years. There is no such thing as "Your OS is too old" or " your version does not support this software". So everything new or old will run on a compatible Linux OS. Even 32 bit ware on 64 bit systems with an added dependency file adapter package. And it is ALL still out there available with all the different stages of download and install methods developed over the years. Unfortunately much of the older stuff is abandoned or not maintained up to date and do not always work. If it doesn't after installing, just run a purge on it to make sure it is no longer in there at all.

You also might want to familiarize yourself with how to create a menu item because sometime apps do install, but a menu item is not always auto-created for the GUI menu so you don't know it is installed. Sometimes actually most times the "archive manager" doesn't always trigger to create a menu listing for you. Hence why it would be a good idea to run that purge before you now install it from the SM. You don't want two of them in there by accident, the folders with same names might create havoc.

Important note: Devs are sometimes a little late with providing the very newest version of a program into the software manager or synaptic. If you want to make sure you are getting the very newest version just run an update for that app by name in the terminal and it will bring it up to date:

To update EVERY APP in your computer use:

sudo apt-get upgrade

To update just one app use

sudo apt-get upgrade app name

This is actually better, faster, and easier than using the GUI update manager. Because it will sometimes toss in and install "promotional" apps you might not want.

https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-on-Linux

https://www.howtogeek.com/772548/how-to ... -in-linux/

https://devopslite.com/how-to-add-a-men ... inux-mint/

:)
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Re: Browsers

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Machine Trooper wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:27 pm
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
No problem!

I've learned to always try the repositories first, through the software manager. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and it's from a reliable source. If you can't find what you want there, then the second easiest option would be an app image version if the producers of the software you want offer it. App images are basically an entirely self contained executable file. No installation is necessary, and to uninstall it, just delete it. You can create a shortcut to the file and use it on your desktop and or put it in your start menu.

:)
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Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:04 am
Yep, anytime you want something the first place to go to is the software manager and search it. And if it is not there do a search in "Synaptic" package manager. Synaptic has more diverse specialized selections and older stuff hard to find, like HAM radio software, scientific ware, analysing ware, and such. And if you ever want to remove the app just go back to it in either manager and it will have a remove button for you. First thing I did when I got Linux was spend several hours browsing what was available in there. I had to refrain from "What does this do" and install a hundred apps... lol

As for other stuff from third parties there are actually several ways but it depends on how old it is and what type of compressed file the have it packaged in. Most the new ones are in a .deb file you just download, move to where you want it to live, and double click to install but most times you will have to go and find the "launch" file and create your own menu item. Older stuff usually has instructions and command lines you copy and paste into the terminal that will do it for you. Then sometimes you have to manually add them to the menu list. These usually also have to be removed or purged using the terminal again and then the menu listing manually removed if you manually created it yourself.

Using "uninstall" in the right click menu options does not always remove all the elements of an app. Better to use Software manager, synaptic, or the terminal. A terminal command line purge will remove everything related to that app. Someone once told me to get familiar with basic terminal commands and never dismiss it as a powerful option. They were right, a lot of times it can bail you out of trouble.

Hoping you read this before you install it from the software manager... It would be a good practice to first run a purge in the terminal to make sure your previous attempt did not actually install it some where you can't find. You want to make sure there are not already unknown elements that did actually install. Just copy/paste/enter this command and password:

sudo apt-get purge librewolf

It sounds like a mess with so many different options for installing programs. But this is because of the evolution of Linux over years. There is no such thing as "Your OS is too old" or " your version does not support this software". So everything new or old will run on a compatible Linux OS. Even 32 bit ware on 64 bit systems with an added dependency file adapter package. And it is ALL still out there available with all the different stages of download and install methods developed over the years. Unfortunately much of the older stuff is abandoned or not maintained up to date and do not always work. If it doesn't after installing, just run a purge on it to make sure it is no longer in there at all.

You also might want to familiarize yourself with how to create a menu item because sometime apps do install, but a menu item is not always auto-created for the GUI menu so you don't know it is installed. Sometimes actually most times the "archive manager" doesn't always trigger to create a menu listing for you. Hence why it would be a good idea to run that purge before you now install it from the SM. You don't want two of them in there by accident, the folders with same names might create havoc.

Important note: Devs are sometimes a little late with providing the very newest version of a program into the software manager or synaptic. If you want to make sure you are getting the very newest version just run an update for that app by name in the terminal and it will bring it up to date:

To update EVERY APP in your computer use:

sudo apt-get upgrade

To update just one app use

sudo apt-get upgrade app name

This is actually better, faster, and easier than using the GUI update manager. Because it will sometimes toss in and install "promotional" apps you might not want.

https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-on-Linux

https://www.howtogeek.com/772548/how-to ... -in-linux/

https://devopslite.com/how-to-add-a-men ... inux-mint/

:)
All good stuff.

:thumbsup :)
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Re: Browsers

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Machine Trooper wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:27 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:37 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:28 pm

Mine is working great. No problems. I do keep Firefox around just in case, but I use LibreWolf almost exclusively.
It is in the repositories. Mint will install and update it for you automatically.
If you have Linux Mint installed, just open the Software Manager (Menu button/All Applications/scroll down to Software Manager). Type LibreWolf into the search bar for the Software Manager. It should come up. Click on it. Tell it to install.

That should be it!

If it doesn't have any Searx instances already in it, you can go to these and add them:

https://searx.be/ (Belgium)

https://searx.thegpm.org/

You might also want to add these for a different spin on your searches:

Yandex.com: https://yandex.com/search?lr=20991

Yandex.ru: https://yandex.ru/search?lr=20991


I figure any spin the Russians have on searches won't be in total lockstep with our censorship.

:)
Were you able to get it to work Machine Trooper?
:)
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
Might want to set up Timeshift on Linux Mint before doing anything big with it, that way you can at least start over from square one easily.
K is coming
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Re: Browsers

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Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:15 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:27 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:37 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:28 pm

Mine is working great. No problems. I do keep Firefox around just in case, but I use LibreWolf almost exclusively.
It is in the repositories. Mint will install and update it for you automatically.
If you have Linux Mint installed, just open the Software Manager (Menu button/All Applications/scroll down to Software Manager). Type LibreWolf into the search bar for the Software Manager. It should come up. Click on it. Tell it to install.

That should be it!

If it doesn't have any Searx instances already in it, you can go to these and add them:

https://searx.be/ (Belgium)

https://searx.thegpm.org/

You might also want to add these for a different spin on your searches:

Yandex.com: https://yandex.com/search?lr=20991

Yandex.ru: https://yandex.ru/search?lr=20991


I figure any spin the Russians have on searches won't be in total lockstep with our censorship.

:)
Were you able to get it to work Machine Trooper?
:)
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
Might want to set up Timeshift on Linux Mint before doing anything big with it, that way you can at least start over from square one easily.
Absolutely. The first three things you absolutely have to do right after installing linux is go turn on the firewall, set up timeshift., and a backup schedule. I don't know why it always comes with the firewall off by default. I can't remember if MS does that also or not.

After a search I found this:

"Some users overlook the importance of firewalls when using Linux Mint. The reason is simple. Linux Mint doesn’t have any open ports. This means your system isn’t accessible for unwanted intruders.

However, it’s always better to activate a firewall. Specific programs will open ports which would leave your system unprotected. This is where the firewall provides an extra layer of protection.

All Linux distributors have a built-in firewall. However, it’s inactive, and in order to use it, you will have to activate it. Developers leave it inactive, but after you install Linux Mint, you might as well enable it if you use the internet or when you’ve activated some services on your computer."

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Re: Browsers

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Machine Trooper wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:27 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Machine Trooper wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:37 pm
Prince Valiant wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:28 pm

Mine is working great. No problems. I do keep Firefox around just in case, but I use LibreWolf almost exclusively.
It is in the repositories. Mint will install and update it for you automatically.
If you have Linux Mint installed, just open the Software Manager (Menu button/All Applications/scroll down to Software Manager). Type LibreWolf into the search bar for the Software Manager. It should come up. Click on it. Tell it to install.

That should be it!

If it doesn't have any Searx instances already in it, you can go to these and add them:

https://searx.be/ (Belgium)

https://searx.thegpm.org/

You might also want to add these for a different spin on your searches:

Yandex.com: https://yandex.com/search?lr=20991

Yandex.ru: https://yandex.ru/search?lr=20991


I figure any spin the Russians have on searches won't be in total lockstep with our censorship.

:)
Were you able to get it to work Machine Trooper?
:)
Well, whooda thunkit could be so easy? I'll give that a try this weekend. Thank-you.
Did you ever get it to work?
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https://brave.com/whats-new/
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Ready to try Brave Leo on mobile? It’s easy: Simply open the browser, begin typing in the address bar, and choose Ask Leo from the suggestions. Or tap “⋮” (Android) or “…” (iOS) and choose Leo.

If you don’t see Leo on your mobile device, update to the latest version of Brave to get started.

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Brave News is revamped for easier use and even more relevant content recommendations
Brave News—our private, in-browser news aggregator—gives users easy access to personalized news, all while preserving their privacy. With Brave News, users get choice and control over their feed, and options for filtering content by channel or publisher. All while ensuring personal preferences never leave their device.

Starting with Brave release 1.62, Brave News for desktop got a major upgrade. Key updates include:

A For you section that shows stories based on your interests and local browsing history—all while preserving your privacy
An updated top news section and story clusters
A filter view for viewing content by channel, source, or RSS feed
An easily visible news preview on the browser’s new tab page, with the latest news that may be of interest to you
Ready to try Brave News? It’s easy: Simply open a new tab in Brave, and scroll up. (And tap the Settings menu to customize.) Not seeing the upgraded Brave News on desktop? Update to the latest version of Brave to get started.

DESKTOP BROWSER

Use Brave Leo to chat with your PDFs and Google Drive files on desktop
Brave desktop and iOS users can now use Leo to interact with PDFs and Google Drive files—like Docs and Sheets—to summarize content, ask questions about that content, and more.

Ready to try Leo? Just start typing in the Brave address bar and choose Ask Leo from the suggestions.

If you don’t see PDF / Drive support in Leo on desktop or iOS, update to the latest version of Brave on those platforms to get started.

Learn more about Leo’s PDF / Drive integration.

Brave Leo is free for all users. For those who want access to more models and even faster responses, there’s also Leo Premium. One subscription covers up to 5 devices.

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Brave is rolling out the option to connect self-custody addresses to Brave Rewards. To find out if you’re eligible, keep an eye on the the BAT icon icon for an invitation to connect a Solana wallet and start earning.

If you see that invitation, follow these steps to get started with Brave Rewards:

Click the BAT icon in the address bar.
Select Start using Rewards.
Configure your location and ad settings.
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Re: Browsers

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Swordsmyth wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:59 pm Did you ever get it to work?
I was able to install Librewolf--thanks to all.

I also tried to uninstall the other program I downloaded/installed by going down a directory (from the directory the app is installed in) in the terminal then typing "sudo app-get purge AppImageLauncher" but got this result:

"bash: cd: too many arguments"

So I tried it without changing the directory and got this result:

"sudo: app-get: command not found"
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Machine Trooper wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:28 pm
Swordsmyth wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:59 pm Did you ever get it to work?
I was able to install Librewolf--thanks to all.

I also tried to uninstall the other program I downloaded/installed by going down a directory (from the directory the app is installed in) in the terminal then typing "sudo app-get purge AppImageLauncher" but got this result:

"bash: cd: too many arguments"

So I tried it without changing the directory and got this result:

"sudo: app-get: command not found"
You got it close... :)

You need "sudo apt-get purge"

I did that a few times too. Used "app" instead of apt. lol

"man apt" will get you local instructions and commands included with your Linux.

https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-apt-command/
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I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
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Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:41 pm I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
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Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I've been watching out for that in Brave and I don't detect it happening so far in Linux. My share information settings are off. Brave isn't very lightweight in Windows, but seems much better in Linux thus far.
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Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:25 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I've been watching out for that in Brave and I don't detect it happening so far in Linux. My share information settings are off. Brave isn't very lightweight in Windows, but seems much better in Linux thus far.
I didn't spot this stuff until I moved to Linux. Because Linux is VERY resource friendly even though some of it loops in ram and uses "Swap" resources. It is still resource friendly to the point you can detect abnormal actions pretty easy. It doesn't mask abnormality with it's own perpetual heavy resources like MS. So the Brave issue is probably Windows + Brave as a bad combination.

I need to try Brave again I guess, I fought it for a year and gave up because they did not have the Linux version bug free yet. But that was couple years ago last time I tried it. Maybe they finally have it cured. I know I was in touch with a developer of Brave on Twitter who was in Spain and he was absolutely insolent and didn't give a shit whether it worked for Linux or not. So I told him to go fly a kite and stopped trying. lol
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Re: Browsers

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Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:01 pm
Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:25 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I've been watching out for that in Brave and I don't detect it happening so far in Linux. My share information settings are off. Brave isn't very lightweight in Windows, but seems much better in Linux thus far.
I didn't spot this stuff until I moved to Linux. Because Linux is VERY resource friendly even though some of it loops in ram and uses "Swap" resources. It is still resource friendly to the point you can detect abnormal actions pretty easy. It doesn't mask abnormality with it's own perpetual heavy resources like MS. So the Brave issue is probably Windows + Brave as a bad combination.

I need to try Brave again I guess, I fought it for a year and gave up because they did not have the Linux version bug free yet. But that was couple years ago last time I tried it. Maybe they finally have it cured. I know I was in touch with a developer of Brave on Twitter who was in Spain and he was absolutely insolent and didn't give a shit whether it worked for Linux or not. So I told him to go fly a kite and stopped trying. lol
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Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:41 pm I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
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PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I haven't had the trouble with Librewolf that ATP seems to have had and would recommend it, but since he has encountered problems it would be wise to take a peek at your System Monitor while it's running, paying attention to the live info under the Processes and Resources tabs. I think Librewolf is the most secure browser I've used. As a matter of fact, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox when I want to be less secure. For example, If I use @Machine Trooper's link to purchase from Amazon, Librewolf will remove the Virtual Pulp tag from the link to prevent me being traced. If I want Machine Trooper to get credit for my purchases, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox. So I would say Librewolf (keeping in mind what ATP said), Firefox, and Waterfox. I believe @Swordsmyth uses Brave occasionally too. I like having several decent ones at my disposal. I've noticed that they update on different schedules too. One prominent example is a few times when I was fiddling around with free generations of AI art on Hotpot and Artguru. One day one browser would work and not the others, and then another day that one wouldn't work but the other ones would.
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Prince Valiant wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:11 pm
Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:41 pm I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm
PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I haven't had the trouble with Librewolf that ATP seems to have had and would recommend it, but since he has encountered problems it would be wise to take a peek at your System Monitor while it's running, paying attention to the live info under the Processes and Resources tabs. I think Librewolf is the most secure browser I've used. As a matter of fact, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox when I want to be less secure. For example, If I use @Machine Trooper's link to purchase from Amazon, Librewolf will remove the Virtual Pulp tag from the link to prevent me being traced. If I want Machine Trooper to get credit for my purchases, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox. So I would say Librewolf (keeping in mind what ATP said), Firefox, and Waterfox. I believe @Swordsmyth uses Brave occasionally too. I like having several decent ones at my disposal. I've noticed that they update on different schedules too. One prominent example is a few times when I was fiddling around with free generations of AI art on Hotpot and Artguru. One day one browser would work and not the others, and then another day that one wouldn't work but the other ones would.
Very well put and explained. Thank you. Something I do want to share as a general rule. The bigger something is and the longer it takes to install it the more bloat that is in it. Remember that with everything.
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Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:46 pm
Very well put and explained. Thank you. Something I do want to share as a general rule. The bigger something is and the longer it takes to install it the more bloat that is in it. Remember that with everything.
Absolutely! And thank you.
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Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.
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Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

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Use Yandex.
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