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Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:53 am

Clayton wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:08 am Browse without ever leaving the terminal | NetworkChuck

Note: more than half the video is a paid promotion, so be aware of that.

Been using this for about a year now. Still do most browsing in FF but lynx is a powerful Swiss Army Knife for just about everything you can think of.
I have used Lynx several times over the years... :)

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:08 am

Browse without ever leaving the terminal | NetworkChuck

Note: more than half the video is a paid promotion, so be aware of that.

Been using this for about a year now. Still do most browsing in FF but lynx is a powerful Swiss Army Knife for just about everything you can think of.

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:12 pm

Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:01 pm Yes, I realize there is nowhere to completely hide from it. But it is worth the effort to try and minimalise it as much as possible. Make them jump through hoops and really earn it.

:)
Agreed. They can be slowed but not stopped.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:01 pm

Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:49 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:24 pm Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

:)
I will look at it if I get the chance, however, I want to challenge just how deep people understand this to go ... I don't think the dissenters have yet fully plumbed the depths of what is really going on here. There is some concept that we tend to have of "cat-and-mouse" games, whereby the tyrants try to peer into our communications and we, in turn, try to evade their snooping by encrypting, etc. What people are not fully understanding is that there is no defensive measure whatsoever that can succeed in stopping the snooping. I don't mean that defensive measures are entirely useless, they have a use. But the idea that we can carve out some kind of "safe space" where they cannot penetrate without us knowing (silent failure) is an illusion, and simply not true.

Probably the simplest metaphor is The Matrix, but without even the Nebuchadnezzar to broadcast from the outside -- there is no safe space whatsoever, not even your home and, as you have correctly mentioned, not even your drawers (that's not rhetorical exaggeration, I mean it literally.) If there was a "Nebuchadnezzar", it was the church but every indication I am seeing is that we have entered the Apostasy of 2 Thess. 2. That means there is absolutely nowhere and absolutely no channel that is safe or secure-able. This is the reason they are so damned smug. While we were sleeping as peaceful and law-abiding citizens, they were busy building their cosmic hall-of-mirrors, what we now call Clown World. When the time came (2014? That's when I became aware of it), they snapped the trap. The trap is done snapped. This is why we are in Clown World. This is why Kamala unironically puts out AI doctored images of her "campaign". Think about the wheelbarrow-sized brass-balls you would have to have to do that in pre-Clown-World, and think about how roundly and cosmically you would have been laughed to shame and how mercilessly satired by the bards of that generation unto all eternity. Ask yourself: Where is the laughter? Yes, a few Red-staters, but not nearly as many as there should be. Basically the whole 330 million of us ought to be laughing at them. There's a few of us laughing. The rest have the dead-eyed stare of zombies. They don't even realize there was a joke, let alone that they should have laughed at it.

Anyway, today is just not a great day for this. Clown World is up on blast in my current location. They dialed the Matrix to 11 today. They will truly, truly burn in the flames of the lake of fire for ever and ever, world without end, Hallelujah, praise God. My personal battles aside, it just becomes clearer and clearer to me day by day that it's time to start waking people up for the biblical Apocalypse. No matter how ready you are, if you don't have Jesus, you're not ready enough. And no matter how unprepared you are, if you have Jesus, you are prepared. We are the 1% of 1% who are awake in a world that is 99.9% zombies from horizon-to-horizon, and the zombie-harvesters are descending upon the world, their mouths agape. Wake up everyone you can and forget about secure comms, there is no such thing in Clown World...
Yes, I realize there is nowhere to completely hide from it. But it is worth the effort to try and minimalise it as much as possible. Make them jump through hoops and really earn it.

:)

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:49 pm

Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:24 pm Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

:)
I will look at it if I get the chance, however, I want to challenge just how deep people understand this to go ... I don't think the dissenters have yet fully plumbed the depths of what is really going on here. There is some concept that we tend to have of "cat-and-mouse" games, whereby the tyrants try to peer into our communications and we, in turn, try to evade their snooping by encrypting, etc. What people are not fully understanding is that there is no defensive measure whatsoever that can succeed in stopping the snooping. I don't mean that defensive measures are entirely useless, they have a use. But the idea that we can carve out some kind of "safe space" where they cannot penetrate without us knowing (silent failure) is an illusion, and simply not true.

Probably the simplest metaphor is The Matrix, but without even the Nebuchadnezzar to broadcast from the outside -- there is no safe space whatsoever, not even your home and, as you have correctly mentioned, not even your drawers (that's not rhetorical exaggeration, I mean it literally.) If there was a "Nebuchadnezzar", it was the church but every indication I am seeing is that we have entered the Apostasy of 2 Thess. 2. That means there is absolutely nowhere and absolutely no channel that is safe or secure-able. This is the reason they are so damned smug. While we were sleeping as peaceful and law-abiding citizens, they were busy building their cosmic hall-of-mirrors, what we now call Clown World. When the time came (2014? That's when I became aware of it), they snapped the trap. The trap is done snapped. This is why we are in Clown World. This is why Kamala unironically puts out AI doctored images of her "campaign". Think about the wheelbarrow-sized brass-balls you would have to have to do that in pre-Clown-World, and think about how roundly and cosmically you would have been laughed to shame and how mercilessly satired by the bards of that generation unto all eternity. Ask yourself: Where is the laughter? Yes, a few Red-staters, but not nearly as many as there should be. Basically the whole 330 million of us ought to be laughing at them. There's a few of us laughing. The rest have the dead-eyed stare of zombies. They don't even realize there was a joke, let alone that they should have laughed at it.

Anyway, today is just not a great day for this. Clown World is up on blast in my current location. They dialed the Matrix to 11 today. They will truly, truly burn in the flames of the lake of fire for ever and ever, world without end, Hallelujah, praise God. My personal battles aside, it just becomes clearer and clearer to me day by day that it's time to start waking people up for the biblical Apocalypse. No matter how ready you are, if you don't have Jesus, you're not ready enough. And no matter how unprepared you are, if you have Jesus, you are prepared. We are the 1% of 1% who are awake in a world that is 99.9% zombies from horizon-to-horizon, and the zombie-harvesters are descending upon the world, their mouths agape. Wake up everyone you can and forget about secure comms, there is no such thing in Clown World...

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:24 pm

Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:46 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:35 pm
Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:05 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm //
The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.
It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.
If I get time, I'll look at it. The compromise runs deeper than you think. Infiltration is not just in USG, it's in everything. When they said "you will be happy", THEY. MEANT. IT. You don't get to that level of smug without having "done your homework" in every conceivable sense of that phrase. They are much, much further ahead than even you suspect.
Oh man do I know, They are literally in our underwear drawers. I really do appreciate your time and patience to at least just read the information and documentation Clayton. It really means a LOT to me that you in particular have a full scope of what it is. I think as a package it would be a good base to tune, change the port, and plug any holes if any. 95% of the work is done and working already and changing the port it uses would unhook us from the existing community there so we can make our own trusted community. My thread has a lot of the particulars weeded out with the research I did and links.

:)

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:46 pm

Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:35 pm
Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:05 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm //
The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.
It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.
If I get time, I'll look at it. The compromise runs deeper than you think. Infiltration is not just in USG, it's in everything. When they said "you will be happy", THEY. MEANT. IT. You don't get to that level of smug without having "done your homework" in every conceivable sense of that phrase. They are much, much further ahead than even you suspect.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:35 pm

Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:05 pm
Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm //
The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.
It was improved by the Gopher (which you are now interested in) users themselves, is highly encrypted, uses TLS, and It is all open source... You are turning a simple idea already done and packaged into a whole complicated project the normal user is never going to touch at all. May as well forget "may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex." because it will be pretty lonely because of how complicated you insist on making it.

I am just sorry that you have obviously made your mind up that you are NEVER going to check it out... I was just hoping for a little intelligent objectiveness and your professional opinions after looking at it with your skills. It is blocked completely. So I will drop it and never try to appeal the idea to you again.

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:05 pm

Atruepatriot wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm //
The reason I like Gopher is because it's old, about as old as HTTP. That was pre-NSA/911-NATSEC State. I don't trust anything newer than 2001 unless I do a deep-dive on it. I can't deep-dive on everything. Sadly, second-hand referrals don't cut it either. I just have to do the deep-dive myself or I cannot trust it.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm

Clayton wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:13 pm Escaping from Egypt? : Lynx + Gopher = Web 4.0?

HTTP =/= Web

Web Too Bloated For You? Try Gopher! | Mental Outlaw

This formula might turn out to be the parting of the Red Sea. There is no doubt that the globalist mass-surveillance State has taken over HTTP(s)/Javascript, but the Web is not HTTP(s)/Javascript. They've tried to define the Web as ultimately "the browser" and whatever the browser supports, and then they've used the enormous complexity of a typical browser as a method to turn the Internet (which is inherently promiscuous to all communications protocols) into a hermetically-sealed censorship chamber.

Perhaps the way out is easier than we thought? Do we really need to rebuild the Web from scratch? I regularly use Lynx to dump webpages to plaintext for local archival. The success-rate is about 95%... there are a few pages here and there that Lynx can't render, but it can render almost everything to text. And since text is lightning-fast to search (especially on Linux), this means that all the pages I archive in this way are text-searchable.

I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex. The only downside is that I don't think there is native support for TLS in Gopher. So, that means that everything would be plaintext. However, when the problem you're trying to escape is censorship (getting the word out), it's better to at least have a tin-can phone-line that the cops can listen in on, than nothing. At least it's possible to get word out. And if it's absolutely mission-critical to keep it a secret, then manually encrypt using gpg.
"I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex."

Uh Oh... I hope you realize you are now on the same trail I have been on for a year now. I am hoping that now you will listen and consider my thoughts with more objectivity my friend. I have already done all this deep investigation for an alternative "off grid" like you are suggesting.

Yes, the Gopher protocol was the beginning. But that very same obsolete Gopher protocol has been refined into a much more capable and powerful protocol. The packaged and easy to install final "big boy" Gopher is already a polished and stable product we can just install from our one click software repository. I have been hollering for a over a year now and no one would be open minded enough to check it out.

The grown up, refined, and very much improved Gopher is now called the Gemini protocol. Same thing but improved with all the open source platforms already available for whatever you might want. Personal page blogs (Gopher holes) , BBS forums, Chats, search engines for the Gemini space/realm it's self, directories, image galleries, game sites, audio radio sites, Etc.

And it is written in simple text called "Gemtext". And it is easy to install and use. I have tested it extensively and it is GREAT! It is basically a lot like the old days of usenet where everyone hosted their own sites. But with all the modern features like the ability to serve up images and such inline. While there are several clients available the Lagrange Client is the most superior of these. It handles Gopher and Gemini and all the tools compatible with both.

Lagrange comes with Gemini included and pre-configured with everything to work out of the box. So all you have to do is go to our repository and install Lagrange and you are now on the Gopher/Geminispace off grid network you are speaking of here. It has already been refined, improved, packaged up, and available Clayton!

https://timelessauthors.com/viewtopic.p ... 35#p106635

Portal to Geminispace from the web with quick links I added:

https://timelessauthors.com/viewtopic.p ... 28#p113728
Screenshot from 2024-08-13 14-50-15.png

Re: Browsers

by Clayton » Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:13 pm

Escaping from Egypt? : Lynx + Gopher = Web 4.0?

HTTP =/= Web

Web Too Bloated For You? Try Gopher! | Mental Outlaw

This formula might turn out to be the parting of the Red Sea. There is no doubt that the globalist mass-surveillance State has taken over HTTP(s)/Javascript, but the Web is not HTTP(s)/Javascript. They've tried to define the Web as ultimately "the browser" and whatever the browser supports, and then they've used the enormous complexity of a typical browser as a method to turn the Internet (which is inherently promiscuous to all communications protocols) into a hermetically-sealed censorship chamber.

Perhaps the way out is easier than we thought? Do we really need to rebuild the Web from scratch? I regularly use Lynx to dump webpages to plaintext for local archival. The success-rate is about 95%... there are a few pages here and there that Lynx can't render, but it can render almost everything to text. And since text is lightning-fast to search (especially on Linux), this means that all the pages I archive in this way are text-searchable.

I've never used Gopher before but, after seeing this video, I'm probably going to start. And I wonder if standing up "Gopher holes" may become the path forward in terms of routing around the censorship-industrial complex. The only downside is that I don't think there is native support for TLS in Gopher. So, that means that everything would be plaintext. However, when the problem you're trying to escape is censorship (getting the word out), it's better to at least have a tin-can phone-line that the cops can listen in on, than nothing. At least it's possible to get word out. And if it's absolutely mission-critical to keep it a secret, then manually encrypt using gpg.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:21 am

Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:31 am
Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:13 am
Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:07 am
Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png
Use Yandex.
You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.
I realize it.
That gives it a refreshingly different slant.

And they don't like anything we do.
Yeah, maybe we will get some truth.

Re: Browsers

by Swordsmyth » Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:31 am

Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:13 am
Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:07 am
Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png
Use Yandex.
You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.
I realize it.
That gives it a refreshingly different slant.

And they don't like anything we do.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:13 am

Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:07 am
Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png
Use Yandex.
You realize it is controlled by the Kremlin right? Which I don't personally mind, but those watching us might.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:09 am

Swordsmyth wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:07 am
Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png
Use Yandex.
Thanks!

Re: Browsers

by Swordsmyth » Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:07 am

Atruepatriot wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.

Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png
Use Yandex.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am

Been using Luxxle. I got good results for the first 48 hours and then like a switch was flipped I started to get controlled information. So I am now finding not much difference from Google and all the other propaganda tools. Who hasn't sold out??? I am sick of human greed and lies overruling principles in EVERYTHING.

And I think it is a honey pot. I think they are just waiting for users to turn on their political affiliation "filter" so that they can track folks who are conservatives.
Screenshot from 2024-08-09 03-53-52.png

Re: Browsers

by Prince Valiant » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:56 pm

Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:46 pm
Very well put and explained. Thank you. Something I do want to share as a general rule. The bigger something is and the longer it takes to install it the more bloat that is in it. Remember that with everything.
Absolutely! And thank you.

Re: Browsers

by Atruepatriot » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:46 pm

Prince Valiant wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:11 pm
Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:41 pm I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm
PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I haven't had the trouble with Librewolf that ATP seems to have had and would recommend it, but since he has encountered problems it would be wise to take a peek at your System Monitor while it's running, paying attention to the live info under the Processes and Resources tabs. I think Librewolf is the most secure browser I've used. As a matter of fact, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox when I want to be less secure. For example, If I use @Machine Trooper's link to purchase from Amazon, Librewolf will remove the Virtual Pulp tag from the link to prevent me being traced. If I want Machine Trooper to get credit for my purchases, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox. So I would say Librewolf (keeping in mind what ATP said), Firefox, and Waterfox. I believe @Swordsmyth uses Brave occasionally too. I like having several decent ones at my disposal. I've noticed that they update on different schedules too. One prominent example is a few times when I was fiddling around with free generations of AI art on Hotpot and Artguru. One day one browser would work and not the others, and then another day that one wouldn't work but the other ones would.
Very well put and explained. Thank you. Something I do want to share as a general rule. The bigger something is and the longer it takes to install it the more bloat that is in it. Remember that with everything.

Re: Browsers

by Prince Valiant » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:11 pm

Macaque Mentality wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:41 pm I got Waterfox as a backup (a webapp wasn't working for me on Brave) and it works great. Thanks for the recommendation, @Atruepatriot and @Prince Valiant :) I'll check out Librewolf next.
Atruepatriot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:08 pm
PV says that it isn't for him, but I found Librewolf too resource heavy for me. I emailed them about this to see why. But I have not heard back yet. But something I can share and Clayton might confirm is that when something is too resource heavy they are running something in the background.

I have a theory about applications that use much more perpetual resources than THEY SHOULD for what services it is giving you it is a red flag. They are free, but they have to make money somehow. Free is not always free. So I now suspect that many applications and websites, and local clients are secretly running a small amount of crytojacking in the background.

A browser or application should only use resources the minimum time needed then go idle. Example loading a simple light website in a browser, as soon as it has parsed and read all the resources should drop to Zero. If they don't then something is wrong and it is STILL running something you probably do not want.

I have been running across this with many applications and websites the last couple years and am almost sure they are crytojacking as you use them. And I mean to the point my RAM, CPU, and fan spooling up to incredible speeds even though I have been completely site loaded up and sitting idle for half an hour doing absolutely nothing. I get rid of it and this stops... And it is hidden so you can't see it happening. The only cues are resource use and fan spooling up. I'm really trying to make an honest list of these possible risks to share.
I haven't had the trouble with Librewolf that ATP seems to have had and would recommend it, but since he has encountered problems it would be wise to take a peek at your System Monitor while it's running, paying attention to the live info under the Processes and Resources tabs. I think Librewolf is the most secure browser I've used. As a matter of fact, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox when I want to be less secure. For example, If I use @Machine Trooper's link to purchase from Amazon, Librewolf will remove the Virtual Pulp tag from the link to prevent me being traced. If I want Machine Trooper to get credit for my purchases, I have to use Firefox or Waterfox. So I would say Librewolf (keeping in mind what ATP said), Firefox, and Waterfox. I believe @Swordsmyth uses Brave occasionally too. I like having several decent ones at my disposal. I've noticed that they update on different schedules too. One prominent example is a few times when I was fiddling around with free generations of AI art on Hotpot and Artguru. One day one browser would work and not the others, and then another day that one wouldn't work but the other ones would.

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